look, we know the nsa thing is very controversial. they are listening to the phone calls and reading the e-mails or have the ability to, of 300 million americans. so are they justifying that by saying, aha, we listened to the phone calls of these two guys in yemen and should they be telling these two monsters that make bombs that they have their phone numbers? >> steve: fisa was supposed to be for it. those guys over there, it's okay to spy on them. it's the spying on us over here that bothers a lot of people. >> gretchen: so there was another gentleman, former c.i.a. official who was on o'reilley last night. here is his thoughts. >> the mo more disturbing aspect of this is that to release any information that acknowledges that we actually had the phone numbers and intelligence for both the leader of al-qaeda headquarters and the leader of al-qaeda in the arabian peninsula, we've now just burned that source. those phones are gone and those leaders will not use them again. so we have now, unfortunately, cut off a major source of intell